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. >>> aloha means good-bye. president obama cuts his hawaiian vacation short to deal with the fiscal cliff. it is already too late? good morning, 7:00 in the east. i'm alina cho. >> and i'm drew griffin. soledad o'brien is off today. "starting point" begins right now. >>> our starting point, a cruel one. a one-two christmas punch from mother nature. tornadoes and blizzards tearing through the south and midwest. >> oh, my god. we need to go. it's right there. >> mobile, alabama, took a real beating. a twister blowing up transformers, leaving more than 25,000 customers without power. reports to damage to homes, a high school, and church. >> it came in behind the church right there, and then all green fluorescent lighting and popping transformers left and right. and we heard the crashing and everything and the power went out. >> i prayed to god as loud as i could, and i was just praying for my safety, and i knew the church was shaking. i just prayed that the church stayed put. >> here is the other half of this story, blizzard conditions blanketing much of the midwest and the northeast will ge
championship begins to sink in. >>> but first, the u.s. is apparently going over the fiscal cliff. in just six hours across the board spending cuts and automatic tax hikes for all americans will kick in. lawmakers say they're close to an agreement. there are still some major sticking points. randall pinkston has the very latest. >> reporter: the gnat is close to a daily as the clock ticks toward mid nature and the nation teethers on the edge of the so-called fiscal cliff. >> let's pass the tax relief portion now. let's take what's been agreed to and get moving. >> reporter: the tentative deal would extend bush era tax cuts for families making $450,000 a year and individuals making 40 o,000. it would also extend unemployment benefits for one year. president obama said he would have preferred a grand bargain that solves all of washington's revenue and spending problems. >> with this congress, that was obviously a little too much to hope for at this time. it may be we can do it in stages. >> reporter: negotiations have been going on all day, lawmakers and aids moving back and forth between meetin
down toward the fiscal cliff deadline and looming tax hikes and spending cuts, that will impact nearly every single american we are just hours away from a crucial white house meeting of the president obama and leaders from the house and senate will sit down for their first face-to-face since november! but what can they hope to accomplish with so little time left, and at this point do they even want to come up with a solution? joining us oklahoma congressman james langford, incoming chairman of republican policy committee and serves on the house oversight and budget committees. congressman, are we going over the cliff? >> well we certainly hope so, hope not actually, but trying to get this resolved. the house as you know full well passed all of our sequestration documents in may. passed all of our tax documents in august and we have waited for the senate all this time and for the president frankly all this time. frustrating for the house did all our work early and be at the point we never hoped to be at. jon: when senate majority leader harry reid says speaker boehner, leader of the hou
the fiscal cliff, just four days left before we go over the edge triggers tax hikes, spending cuts that could send the nation back into recession. the president calling for members of the congress the back. a gang of six attending. vice president biden, harry reid, house minority leader nancy pelosi, mitch mcconnell and john boehner representing the republicans. brianna keilar is live from washington. is anybody optimistic that a deal could be done today around a table? >> i will tell you the optimism is sort of sinking. senate majority leader harry reid said he doesn't see how it can get done by january 1st. we heard from president obama before he left from his vacation that he was optimistic. logistically the white house will tell you it's possible. when you listen to what you're hearing some of these congressional leaders say, there's a lot of posturing laying blame to the other side if we do go over the cliff. take a listen. >> republicans are not about to write a blank check for anything senate democrats put forward because we find ourselves at the edge of the cliff. >> we are here in wa
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the president cutting his holiday vacation in hawaii short to get back to work on avoiding the fiscal cliff. the white house says the president is set to return to the nation's capital tomorrow morning to try to hammer out a deal where lawmakers on stopping automatic tax hikes and deep spending cuts from kicking in, which is set to happen, if you're not watching the calendar, six days from now. if they don't reach a deal many say it could send the country right back into recession. ed henry is live in honolulu, hawaii. is this a sign the president sees progress in the talks? >> reporter: well, good to see you. it may be the opposite. the president's not seeing progress and wants to get back to washington as soon as possible to goose the process. time is running out. economists say we could go into another recession if the fiscal cliff is not dealt with. we just learned house republicans convened a conference call with members to say be on 48 hours notice to come back to washington in the next few days to deal with this one way or another. the senate coming back into session tomorrow morning
sales was uncertainty about the fiscal cliff, tax hikes and spending cuts set to take effect next year. if lawmakers don't reach a deal to avoid it consumers could see higher taxes eating into their paychecks. even online sales suffered compared to past years of double-digit growth this year online holiday sales rose only about 8% compared to nearly 16% last year. lack of consumer confidence means this shopping season could be the weakest since the recession in 2008 when sales actually shrank. >> consumers need to have more confidence. right now it's more of an uncertain way for the first half of 2013 so i think everyone has thought going into the year. >> for businesses, the holiday shopping season officially ends december 31st, and retailers are hoping to salvage some profits by offering deep discounts until then. the president of the national retail federation is still optimistic. he estimates holiday sales growth will be about 3.5% to 4% this year. rebecca and jeff? >> thanks elaine. it's interesting, macy's and target report next week so we're going to hea
that done or milk prices go up and with the fiscal cliff, massive tax increases and spending cuts. that's the latest here at the white house, back to you. >> thank you, sherri. >>> we've been getting responses to the cliff talks on our facebook page. that's where we asked you, what do you think about congress and the white house not reaching a deal on the fiscal cliff? do you think it's possible that a compromise will be reached before the deadline? tammy simpson writes -- peggy fleming says -- >> a lot of people fired up obviously over this. >>> traffic is back to normal on the springfield interchange, even while virginia state police continue to investigate a deadly accident there. this happened around 7:00 last night when a tractor-trailer stopped in traffic, was rear- ended by a pickup truck. three people inside the pickup truck died at the scene. the driver of the tractor- trailer was not hurt. >>> d.c. police are offering a $25,000 reward for information leading to the arrest in the shooting death of a capitol hill man. jason emma was shot multiple times the morning of christmas e
hit the fiscal cliff. what happens to your bottom line if you do? january 1st all the bush tax cuts will expire, all of them with taxes going up an average of $1,600 per household. the payroll tax holiday also expires, that means the tax burden will rise an average of $700 per household. extended unemployment benefits, the ones we were talking about with lisa expire, so collection of unemployment benefits will shrink from 79 or 99 weeks back to 26 weeks in six months. the medicare doc fix expires, a 27% cut in physician payments and the alternative minimum tax will expand to 27 million more americans for whom it was not intended. obama care taxes hit, a 0.9% jump in medicare payroll taxes for those earning $200,000 or more, that is likely to happen regardless of whether or not there's any fix. i bring in senator richard blumenthal, a democrat from connecticut. thanks for joining us. we have five days to go. you think we'll get a deal. >> i'm hopeful. there's sufficient time to reach a deal if we use the common ground we have and that common ground is nobody wants to go over the fisc
. cutting his vacation in hawaii sure to tackle the fiscal cliff. reports calling the possibility of a deal before the new year "virtually impossible." let's bring in former press secretary to al gore and we also have brad blakeman. they are both joining us from washington, d.c. "the house has already passed legislation to avoid the fiscal cliff, but senate democrats have not." what do you make of that feedback they are having what amounts to a staring contest right now. it is legislation that would keep tax cuts for those making under $250,000 a year. the house does not have any plans to come back before january 1. liz: the house does have a bill that would not hurt small businesses and the job creators in this country. for some reason they seem to be avoiding that very important issue for the u.s. economy. >> what i make of it is, it all goes back to the leadership of the president. the president created this crisis. remember, he was the one who had a bipartisan commission on the debt. they came back with their proposals. two years ago, the president could have avoided all of this by havi
the spending cuts. what happens if we go off the fiscal cliff for a few days. >> not much is my understanding. it's much more what the market psyche will do and with respect with the tax hikes and cuts, the hit people take is not as much as the rhetoric suggested early on. what weather it's enough to get back to negotiating things, i agree with you that we will go over the deadline. that's the big question of what kind of political ramifications we will have. you will have a chunk more on the payroll. there is a cut because of the sequestration. >> all of us are aware that most people at the top of fortune 500 companies look at these claims saying this is ridiculous. you couldn't run any business the way they try to run the country. is there any immediate impact on the markets next week with their inability to get anything done? >> yes. that's the biggest impact by far. yes, the payroll tax will take effect and that will be one of the most immediate things we see, but it takes two weeks to adjust your paychecks and spend more time repairing and restoring and trying to solve that. the market d
the fiscal cliff as a group of democrats push for the extension of most of the bush-era tax cuts, cuts they say staunchly -- they opposed years ago. joining us now to talk about it, tony -- [inaudible] a republican political analyst and consultant and a national political correspondent for talk radio news service. michael is a democratic strategist, and he joins us as well. good to see you both. tony, look, the word we're getting is that harry reid is going to pass an extension of the bush tax cuts for anybody under 250,000, extend unemployment benefits for two million folks. um, now, if that happens, it goes to the house, and the house will probably have to put it up. aren't republicans, your party, going to wish that they had passed plan b? >> absolutely, gregg. look, plan b really should have been our plan a, number one. number two, plan b was really the idea of chuck schumer and nancy pelosi as recently as in this summer. to set the threshold on incomes to a million dollars versus 250,000, allow those tax rates for a million and above go up, the president talked about taxing millio
this all along, go off the fiscal cliff. >> i think that he sees a lot of cuts to the military, which the democrats have been after for a long time. and then he gets to do what he loves to do, which is blame republicans. my concern is that i actually see financial problems for our nation at the bottom of the cliff. the president was really interested in the level of the debt we have in this country, the $16 trillion, we would have had a budget pass the senate sometime in the last three years. he proposed a budget, none of the democrats even voted for it. >> juliet: remember, they're having a meeting in a few hours and with all the sniping going back and forth, particularly from janer and harry reid, they'll be in that little room together. it should be interesting. >> eric: brass sew makes a good point and i agree that president obama probably wanted to go over the cliff from the very beginning, but i don't agree where he said at the bottom of the fiscal cliff is something bad for america. it will be tough medicine to take, we've been talking about it, spending cuts to defense, no one
to head back to washington and jump-start the fiscal cliff negotiations with congress. talks fell apart before christmas. the deadline now is just days away and there is no deal in sight to avoid the tax hikes and spending cuts set to go into effect january 1st. our juan williams is a fox news political analyst and he joins us today and very quickly, juan, merry christmas to you. >> merry christmas, kelly. kelly: this is daunting task facing congress to avert the so-called fiscal cliff that will set into motion more than $600 billion in drastic and draconian allic tax hikes and spending cuts. that will cause a lot of pain for all americans and does congress have enough time to act on this? >> they do. you know it will be very close and it may in fact go beyond the deadline per se although people are thinking at the moment it is possible to get something done by the end of this week. the key here, kelly, is the senate. we have been so focused on the house, speaker boehner, plan. about, plan b falling apart. now speaker boehner is pointing towards the senate and the white house is pointin
, if we go over the f 'tis cal cliiscal cl should buy some room. the fiscal cliff is a cut in taxes and a cut in spending which should relieve some of the spending toward the debt limit. it is a factor in terms of long range planning for the united states government. but actually going over the cliff might buy some more time. so i think what secretary geithner was doing was sort of issuing a warning saying we should take care of this now. whatever the plan is in the last five days or even if it's right after the new year should probably take into account the fact we're going to need more room under that debt ceiling at some point. >> jonathan allen, we'll rely on you throughout this crisis to see what's going on. thanks for joining us this morning. >> take care, drew. >>> he was hoping he'd be home by christmas but former president george h.w. bush is still in intensive care at a houston hospital. he's got an elevated fever. the nation's 41st president is on a liquid diet. he's listed as guarded. he's the 88-year-old bush coping with christmas in the hospital? well, his spokesman qu
cliff . we get credit when we cut taxing back to the level they were before the cliff . it is it a political issue for them to attain their goalings. >> dave: some suggest that the president will be okay to go off the fiscal cliff . the president doesn't want sequestitration to go in into affect. hope they work it out. thank you for joining us from dc. coming up. unbelievably video of a plane crashed on a busy highway . we now know what likely caused the deadly crash . go ahead and down that champagne in the new year's bash. but what you can do today to make sure you don't have a hang over tomorrow. may attention. there's the sign to the bullpen. here he comes. you wouldn't want your doctor doing your job, the pitch! whoa! so why are you doing his? only yr doctor can determine if your persistent heartburn is actually something more serious like acid reflux disease. over time, stomach acid can damage the lining of your esophagus. for many, prescription nexium not only provides 24-hour heartburn relief, but can also help heal acid-related erosions in the lining of your e
for the president to go off the fiscal cliff. but both sides are saying, you know what? maybe it's better to go off the cliff. politically, members of congress will have to vet on tax cuts as opposed to now which are tax increases which are much harder to take. >> that's right. because the tax hikes will happen whether or not congress acts, so the school of thought here is that if republicans and temp kratz were to allow this just to happen, then they could vote for infect only tax cuts, not be on the record voting for tax hikes. now for the very staunch anti tax folks, it's unclear if that would really pass muster with them, but certainly this is something being considered you know, dana. >> absolutely. i'm sure the markets won't know that. brianna, good to see you. while in hawaii, president obama and first lady michelle obama paid their respects to late senator daniel inouye. inouye died last week from a respiratory illness. he was 88 years old. following that the president went to visit the grave of his old grandfather who is buried at the very same cemetery. >> he will be missed and remembered
obama cutting his vacation short to avoid the fiscal cliff but house speaker john boehner says the people who need to take action are not in the oval office. >>> as the investigation continues into the deaths of four americans in libya we're learning people who were initially blamed are back on the payroll with little or no punishment. >>> unbelievable video. some aquariumgoers getting way too close to a real live shark. as close as you can get without becoming dinner. it is all "happening now." harris: hello, everyone, i'm harris faulkner, in today for jenna lee. jon: nice to have you up here in the big studio instead of down in the newsroom. harris: good to be here. jon: i'm jon scott. there is deadly weather pounding the united states. a powerful winter storm bringing snow and driving rain to the northeast. blizzard conditions in some areas. it is the same system that brought winter storms and tornados to the south and midwest. at least 12 people have died in this system. we're seeing major travel problems today as well. some areas are getting slammed all night long. anna ko
is cutting short his vacation to hawaii. he is returning to deal with economic matters, the fiscal cliff. if his death has been quietly talking with senate democrats are the christmas holiday to come up with a planned to avert or prevent the cliff. in the meantime, the senate does plan a session tomorrow. perhaps we will hear more about an agreement before the new year's deadline. the house is due tomorrow as well. we do not have an agenda and there. with the fiscal cliffhanging out there heading into the year 2013, do you have optimism or pessimism heading into the new ? you can also send in your comment via twitter, a post a comment on facebook, or write us an e-mail. the theme of optimism or lack of it is prevalent in the papers. wednesday with congress and the president heading back to washington. here is a headline on "usa today." in the wall street journal -- if the in "the washington post." we welcome your phone calls. we will get to them in a moment. we did find another piece at politico. there you have it in the papers this morning about people being optimistic or pessimistic ab
to be on popularity over the next few weeks if we go over the fiscal cliff and he ends up making cuts and so forth. what is going to happen is ultimately if this is is a success or a failure, it's his legacy that's going to tell the story that doesn't come down for republican's back against the walls this mess that krauthammer pointed out. what the republicans are doing mess in the house putting up this plan b and may get less than plan b they couldn't get a vote on plan b. senator corker thinks this whole thing he mentioned last night on greta is really too much spending keeping the spending and getting the tax increases, listen. >> it's a shame in this nation where every developed country in the world knows that our greatest threat is our fiscal solvency that you would have to have leverage points. you would think people would sit down and solve the problem because we know it is our greatest threat. that's not the case here. we have a president who has not laid out a plan. he is obviously a spendaholic. time quickly running out for a deal washington will be working all weekend in hopes of reachi
of the fiscal cliff. >> juliet: love it. >> dave: might cut your paycheck. we're not kidding. more info on that. >> clayton:'s he one of our favorite television neurotic guys, he's neurotic in real life, larry david. >> you came by the hall, wouldn't let me get by wouldn't let you get by me? >> my appointment was 11:30, yours is 11:45. >> clayton: turns out being neurotic may actually be good for you. we'll explain. "fox & friends" hour two starts right now. ♪ >> oh. >> juliet: why is that good news? why are you smiling about that neurotic thing? >> i agree with larry david on a lot of things. stop and chat, laboring about it all day, stop and chat. >> juliet: i move it along and the elevator is the worst. >> dave: stop and chat and you want to talk to clayton and you get natalie. >> clayton: for 40 minutes you're stuck in a conversation. we'll have more on that coming up. >> dave: it's seven o'clock eastern time and now what that means. >> clayton: how many hours left. >> dave: starbucks is open. >> clayton: starbucks is open. >> juliet: lisa, where are you? >> our day can continue. and we'
and a whole suite of things that were part of the fiscal cliff that aren't going to be touched. we'll have the debt ceiling rehash, all of these things come back in the first couple of weeks. >> we have a timeline issue here, we just -- a few days away, things have to -- things don't move quickly in washington as we know. there are rules in both houses of when things can come up, how much time has to pass for debate. they have to change rules to get it through quickly. even if senate comes up with the deal. mcconnell and harry reid come up with the deal. they accept it to the house on sunday night, monday morning. what are the chances of them getting their ducks in a row, boehner getting his ducks in a row and us still being able to avoid the krif? >> right. we should have a better sense of that by tomorrow afternoon when they start to reconvene. speaker boehner made it clear at the meeting at the white house on friday, anything that the senate passes will be considered by the house, might be amended, might be changed a bit. has to go back to the senate quick for changes. but he said will
could do that and it would not help the medicare fiscal cliff. >> reporter: with time running out, hopes have diminished with talk of a smaller deal extending bush tax rates for the middle school and unemployment benefits. it puts off major spending cuts and reforms to entitlements like healthcare. >> we're going to end up with a small, kick-the-can, down-the- road bill to make another fiscal cliff to deal with this fiscal cliff. >> reporter: with expectation low, lawmakers are talk about how to retroactively fix any damage done by going over the cliff with congress. nicole collins, fox news. >>> developing tonight, a strike that could have shut down ports up and down the east coast is averted for now. the long shoreman's union along the east coast and gulf of mexico will extend the current contract for 30 days. that extension prevents a possible strike that could have crippled operations at port and including the port of baltimore. in a statement today, the maryland governor martin o'malley wrote, quote, the port of baltimore continues to be a major part of the state economic strait gen
on in congress and the potential fiscal cliff we are facing and the elimination of the tax cuts. a lot of the small business owners i talked to and know are in favor of keeping the tax cuts in place especially for the middle class. we believe in balanced approach and we think it's ok to allow the elimination of the tax cuts for the wealthy. as taxes increase, the taxes at my business will be effected and i will have less to pay for investments and new equipment, hiring new people, but personally my income tax rates will go up. it's already a financially constrained environment. but customers tax rates will go up creating less demand for my products and less revenue for me and less tax revenue for the government. i want to urge congress and senators to vote for keeping our tax cuts in place, especially for the middle class and pushing our fiscal crisis to a balanced approach. go ahead and eliminate those tax cuts for the wealthiest individuals. if we all look at it and tried to consider what was going to work for the best, we needed to look at consumer demand. consumer demand is in the
to reach a fiscal cliff deal. the senate and house are expected to reconvene tomorrow. we're six days away from possible across the board tax increases and spending cuts. >>> former president george h.w. bush is still in a houston hospital. his wife, barbara, and other relatives at his side. the 88-year-old has been in the hospital for more than a month with a lingering cough and recently had a low grade fever. doctors remain cautiously optimistic about a full recovery. >>> a claim of facebook privacy breach within the zuckerberg family. his sister says a family photo was reposted by another person on twitter. randy zuckerberg called the woman out. the woman apologized said it was public because it was in her facebook newsfeed. >>> in china the longest high speed railway opens, connects beijing with guangzhou, 1,500 in eight hours, but tickets start at $138, and they're a little pricey for some people and many travelers say it's cheaper and faster to fly. >>> a report just out this morning shows home prices up in october, the biggest annual gain in more than two years. alison kosik joins u
gets closer to the fiscal cliff. some lawmakers are now calling for a small scale deal as a temporary fix. >> i think it's impossible to get any kind of grand bargain or comprehensive package. i think we're dealing right now with whether or not we can put off the increases in tax rates. that's really all we can deal with right now. >> the house will stand in recess subject to the call of the chair. >> reporter: congress recessed alf republicans rejected house speaker jane bahner's compromise. he proposed letting tax cuts expire for those making over $1 million a year. other republicans say it's time for a deal. >> i agree with him. i don't think we ought to increase taxes on anyone. however, we're now at a point where we're not going to get what we think is right for our economy and our country. >> with congress coming back, the president will also reportedly cut short his holiday vacation in hawaii. democrats hope mr. obama will continue to fight for a complete agreement, not just a temporary patch. >> i definitely hope that he can and will continue to push for as big a deal as possi
christmas, of course, still no fiscal cliff resolution. the $500 billion in spending cuts and tax increases start on january 1st unless the white house and congress reach some sort of agreement. we're joined by former pennsylvania governor ed rendell, co-chair of the campaign to fix the debt. and a cnbc contributor. governor, happy holidays. good morning to you. >> good morning, guys. >> so we're sitting here wondering what can be done in the next seven days. even in your role, if you're having to reset expectations. >> sure. i think it's fair to say the campaign is disappointed. we're not going to -- unless lightning strikes, we're not going to get a big deal. we're going to get something that avoid the cliff. kicks the can down the road on the serious issues. the serious issues, the can gets kicked into the debt ceiling. president says he's not going to deal with the debt ceiling. who knows what's going to happen at that point. i think we blew an opportunity in the last seven weeks to really sit down, do something good for the country, do something good for the economy, of our country and
through the weekend trying to reach a bipartisan deal to avoid that fiscal cliff. we are, of course, just three days away from falling over the edge and seeing massive tax hikes and spending cuts that would go into effect. today president obama called on congress to agree on a compromise plan to protect the middle class. >>> the woman who went to prison for murdering the scarsdale diet doctor in 1990 has herself died. jean harris was 89. she was the doctor's longtime lover. he developed the famous fad, the diet in the 1980s, and harris said she found him treated on her and tried to commit suicide in front of him. they wrestled over a gun and he was shot. >>> former president george h.w. bush is getting better. he is reportedly singing with doctors and nurses in the houston hospital where he is at, although he is still in the intensive care unit. the senior bush has been in the hospital now for more than a month, but his family says that they are confident that he'll be out or released soon. >>> a cancer diagnosis didn't stop one man. in fact, at 79, it is spurring him on to achieve new go
'm sure many americans are trying as well. >>> we talked about the effect of hitting the fiscal cliff on american taxpayers. what about businesss? what about businesses? rick newman of u.s. news and world reports tells us they're cutting back already. >> to say that business leaders are anxious i think is an understatement. i think they're thoroughly disgusted because you couldn't run a business like this, and they all know that. it is just kind of driving them crazy. but business leaders have been watching this for a long time, don. unlike a lot of consumers who may have just started paying attention over the last couple of weeks. business leaders have known this is coming for a long time. they know how ugly and dysfunctional it was in 2011 when we went through something similar with the debt ceiling. and they have more or less been expecting the same thing. so what we have seen over the last couple of months is that business activity has really slowed down. >> rick newman, u.s. news and world reports. why don't we remind you once again, that meeting is under way at the white house.
to admit, it's the fiscal cliff, the debt clock stuff. i don't blame them. >> reporter: yeah. people think the general public is oblivious and not paying attention. they want to blow off the fact people are bored about hearing about the fiscal cliff but the reality is that 98% of americans will be affected and will see taxes go up if we go over the cliff at the end of the year. this consumer confidence number is an indication of what economist have been warning if we go over the cliff and enter into a new recession in 2013. that consumer confidence number down 6 points to just over 65. you know as well as i do this is a big change in the overall trend we had been seeing of improving consumer confidence. so as we near the fiscal cliff and near the end of the year, folks are buckling up, didn't spend as much as christmastime and we depend on the spending for economic growth. it's the engine of economic growth and all fingers point to another recession. >> eric: yesterday we got indication the retail sales for christmas were bad. today we get consumer sales. what's next? >> well basically we'
up with a small, kick-the-can down the road bill, that creates another fiscal cliff to deal with this fiscal cliff. how irresponsible is that? >> reporter: and does washington still, the stock market burns. dropping for a sixth-straight day under this uncertainty. americans are burning up, too. >> this is america. they should be working for the american people. >> can't believe we got this close. >> get in a room and don't come out of the room until you've got this thing taken care of. >> reporter: what the senate leaders hope to do is put together this deal, bring it to the senate tomorrow. then, the house comes back in session tomorrow night. they can vote on any deal passed by the senate. but bianna, no one is holding their breath here in washington. >> no one is, indeed. >>> for more on the big white house meeting, we want to bring in john avlon, political columnist at "the daily beast." a busy man covering all of this. how do you see this playing out? >> we're three days out. nothing focuses than the prospect of being hanged. today, bianna, is the key day. saturday, tod
. because president obama perfectly going over the fiscal cliff to blame republicans because he can't default on the debt. he will have to compromise between now and february. second of all the baseline gets reset if the tax cuts expire. everybody will propose a tax cut in january and right now we're fighting whether to increase taxes or not. you can see possibility of a deal seen as win-win for both sides. third, if republicans don't come up with a deal, a bad deal right now, they still have the $800 billion in revenue they put on the table from limiting deductions and loopholes that they can use to buy down rates. so i think the odds are, after january 1 we will get a deal and it will be much more favorable deal to the republican party because we'll have the leverage and president obama won't. heather: simon, basically what mark's laid out there would be more of a bunge jump over the cliff instead after nosedive, what do you think about the possibility, good thing or bad? >> i think it is going to happen whether it is good or bad. hopefully in the first week to 10 days of the new
no certainty on the table. we're going hit the fiscal cliff. we'll hit the debt ceiling and businesses in our economy will not be able to recover because both sides are very polarized. >> we talked about spending cuts and we don't seem like we are now. this is a pretty small deal and that's not a consideration and we have to get past next tuesday. >> the biggest danger here is the debt ceiling is not included and that would be a great thing for the country to not have another deadline pending with more doomsday scenarios. the debt ceiling is almost guaranteed not to be in this deal and that's something that i thought would be initially and something president obama pushed for. now we have the same scenario in february again and this is very exhausting to americans to see this deadline pressure in washington. >> blake, do this quickly for me, here. we are kicking the can down the road. just how far down the road is it being kicked in this deal? >> what perry said is exactly right and another reason why progressives should be concerned which is why we're dealing with the debt ceiling again and
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